This would eventually change with later stories, as writers would rewrite and retcon the Beyonder's character and origin, to decrease his power and importance in the Cosmic Hierarchy. I'm not talking about the power he's given, but more so what's possible that's given to him. give evidence of who wins. just solved the Dazzler half of. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. ago. He stomps. Gender: Inapplicable (As the character stated, "he" was made of energy. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. so MM was infinite chain levels of infinity power leveled. Beyonder 39%. and lady death is just skeleton level because she is a skeleton. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is far. 8 years ago. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 20. Imagine PR Beyonder as the ocean. The Two fight in the beyond realm. 66. Then there the Beyonder Child unit thing that is related to The beyonders. AVX is probably the best example of this. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. May 26, 2023. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. Lucifer. Just because Beyonder, originally wasnt from marvel multiverse doesnt mean that Beyonder isnt a marvel character, because he is. Im pretty much clueless on DB and its power levels; but, i cant picture pre retcon beyonder having any difficulties with dragon ball verse characters. That's all there is to it. I think pre-retcon Beyonder may take it. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. SCP 3812 will just blink Pre Retcon Beyonder out of existence easily. 5: Molecule Man 6: Lifebringer Galactus. The Beyonder stomps. Wiki Points. When talking Beyonder, We're referring to a dude whose power level was measured as "quintillions" of times greater than everything in the multiverse combined, and laughed off a. Just because it's the pre-retcon Beyonder, it doesn't mean his opponents are at the power level they were in pre-retcon days. Withstanding attacks that can atomize dimensions is a pretty crazy feat. The Beyonder is millions of times more powerful than the combined power in the multiverse which includes the Living Tribunal - Scan 1. Beyonder Is so powerful he gets bored even with The most over powered entities. 81. 21)Beyonder(Pre-retcon) 22)Elaine Belloc 23)Nyarlathotep The Rules: 1. The Beyonder can't do anything to this level of OP shit. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. Current Beyonder looks to be back to his Pre Retcon level. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. The being known as the Beyonder is, in fact, a young member of an. But you are right about Elder God Demonbane being created just to be all powerful, Pre-Retcon Beyonder is kind of the same he was created to be TOAA of another multiverse outside of the Marvel. Pre-Recon Beyonder can reverse forbidden magic instantly. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. Definitely Beyonder. Nope. g: Hulk (strongest variant), Sargeras. Super Power Score and Level. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. Belligerents: Composite Time Lords from Doctor Who and the Pre-retcon Beyonder from Marvel Comics. Super Power Score and Level. 8 years ago. Mutant Inhuman Beyonder. Because the Living Tribunal was not 1-A back in 1985, and that is the era when the pre-retcon Beyonder existed. Meanwhile, the Presence is said to have been created by external forces and is. Strange, Sorcerer Supreme 10: The In-Betweener. Share to. Enter, the retcon. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Multi-Eternity. Fires a blast that according to Beyonder, could slag Several Billion Dimensions. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are. Rune King Thor cant beat a fully fed. Kuuko273. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. ago. Beyonder: Biography: The man, the myth, the legend. The Beyonder being millions of times the power of the Multiverse was countered by himself twicesaying Eternity and The Phoenix Force had the power to destroy him. 2. The Presence is an omnipotent God, I take it? Forums. Pre-retcon beyonder is equal toaa in power. Pre-retcon Molecule Man. So, a powerful being's place is usually on the outside as a supporter or obstacle of your central characters. Fighting place: Dr. He. I don't know the specifics of how post-retcon Beyonder was nerfed, but the other two rounds are stomps in favor of Beyonder. Later, the two merge into one single Cosmic Cube, and it is. Oldfather 18. Both HotU Thanos and PR Beyonder were vastly greater than LT. That said, outside of raw power I’d believe Lucifer could trick him or otherwise outwit him. This was a level of power on par with the Universe itself. However PR Beyonder has more power than basically all of existence and attacks that destroyed multiverses were nothing to. TOAA is God of Marvel while PR Beyonder is a much bigger god. He needed to use his entire power to kill mistress death which left. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa. This is a higher scale power level. Shaper of Worlds and every other variation of the Cosmic Cubes are consistently stated in handbooks to have that level of power. The Beyonder might be incredibly powerful (especially in his pre retcon state), but power means nothing to something which predates and transcends things like power, life,. Thought Robot without any effort. He got trick by low level being while Lucifer is the smartest and trickiest being so i say lucifer morningstar win this. Powers are basically the same thing. #28 ovy7. Also. Even if. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. - Neither. Also no Heart Of The Universe). The Beyonder and Molecule manage to make their way to the DC universe, Beyonder threatens to destroy creation. I mean, Beyonder is going to kill him ONCE and then Doomsday would instantly be at Beyonder's power level AND be immune to reality. 4 years agoBeyonder (of Earth-616) is a cosmic cube with a god-like being who started and oversaw the Secret Wars. 1. You see, the thing is that Pre Retcon Beyonder is Secret Wars Beyonder, so it’s not completely incorrect in a away, but all these events are taking after the retcon, if you get what I mean. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. meaning that the AR is probably at the level of or maybe even above the true power of DC. Nov 6, 2017. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. -Everything in bleach. Forum Posts. PR Beyonder may have slightly better feats than Lucifer, he's not nearly as crafty. Pre Retcon Beyonder would be accidentally retconned once more. Even The. Holo-Man • 3 yr. it would be mostly stalemate. Add a Comment. Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. The more you use dimensional levels as a way to mean the character wins only makes them lose because the higher the dimensional level doesnt mean anything lmao. 8: Hulk /w The One Below All. While often portrayed as a misunderstood villain, he has also at times acted as an anti-hero. These two interpretations are overpowered as hell, but they have their share of a few problems. So I might be missing something. ) 4 years ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder 10/10 destroy Flash. 9 years ago. Forums. 7 years ago. Forum Posts. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being. Manhattan's league. Beyonder is hurt. Round 5 : Beyonder Curbs ( it is said that his power is far superior to MM. 2nd Retcon - The BEyonder. The Tribunal wins this without even breaking a sweat. ago. Beyonder. 9: Dr. Post-retcon Beyonder loses hands-down. beyonder is just human level because he looks like a human. Jack Kline can’t do shit. -5. It will take a signifigant effort to kill the Phoenix Force, Just like Death, but he will do it. ago. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. 10 years ago. Regardless. even though the aftermath of it still did for the mainstream universe. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). But This Gaunlet is way out of order, why the heck is Odin and Zeus above Molecule Man. Marvel is hilariously inconsistent with power levels, if we took one off feats and off hand statements we would have thinks like beyond dimensional. We knew this but Galactus is less than a fly to Beyonder, this is after but one show of power from Beyonder. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. 140. Archie Sonic vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 62 results; 1; 2; pr0d1gy. This also includes any editing errors, spelling errors, grammar errors etc. HeartLesS 25 d . Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. Origin: Marvel Comics. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. 4 years ago. He can literally “retcon” the Beyonders into existence when they didn’t used to. Thank you. This is the power level used when referring to PR Beyonder or PR Molecule Man. Doom did. . Is Pre-Retcon Beyonder more powerful than The One Above All? 57 results 1 2 #1 Edited By firewrkninja on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. Pre-Retcon Beyonder can use his powers to instantly know his enemy's thoughts, feelings, and powers and counter them. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Jan 22, 2017. 5. Most gods do not place anywhere close to 100 so basically asking if a character or creature reached this power level well they would surpass any of the canon gods. #1. He got trick by low level being while Lucifer is the smartest and trickiest being so i say lucifer morningstar win this. He is his total opposite and equal in power. The result of an. Round 1: Pre Retcon. Destiny is shown to be above DC as a whole. (after experiencing limitation during the Doom comedy in SWI) Genius, in terms of a perfect segue to sell more comics. Instead of dealing with the two out right, the Presence gets help from his agents. He was initially depicted. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used (yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. Pre-retcon beyonder is equal toaa in power. Scathan has decided he no longer "Approves" of the beyonders exsistance. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. Even we accept the retcon situation you defend,thats not a obstacle for Pre Retcon Beyonder and his Supreme power. Heck, it was Pre-Retcon Beyonder who was basically the original and first Marvel's Void Abstract, not Oblivion. Origin: Marvel Comics. trolls can call other people trolls. However, let's remember; PR Beyonder let Dr. Vs. There is no way to square all of the things The Beyonder could do pre-retcon with the origin they assigned to him post-retcon, so you kind of need to make a distinction between the. You. Prior to being retconned totally out of power and relevance, the Beyonder was basically the most powerful being in all of Marvel comics, totally. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. Victory by permanent death or erasure. 8 years ago. Apr 18, 2021. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. Indeed. He should win against Lucifer. 3: Pre-retcon Beyonder 4: Post-retcon Beyonders. I think he wins this. CryptoI would think that a Level 100 character would be something like the pre-retcon version of The Beyonder from Marvel Comics. They both basically live outside of the multiverses that they are part of. Preretcon Beyonder wins. 1. And again, this requires their power to be bound, in a sense, such as when gods are unable to interact with the mortal plane directly and must work through agents there instead. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Name: The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who Is All, "Frank," Kosmos, The Maker, The Broken One. Reconstructs and Reignites all Stars in the Galaxy. Poll Eru Iluvatar vs Beyonder ( Pre Retcon ) (41 votes) Eru 61%. 3. Well seeing how ive been told i need to tone down the Superman stuff. 1000 Tribunals and 1000 Eternitys wouldn't do jack against him. -Both sides have a week of prep. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. Dormamu Eternity Power 27. Stage 4 - Retcon 1 - Dumb, Dumb, Dumb - It is reveled that everything in secret wars I & II was mearly an illusion. 9 years ago. Victory conditions: for the beyonder it is to destroy the entire race of time lords, for the time lords it is killing or making the beyonder surrender. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. don't really get all the scaling levels, but he's stated the marvel multiverse is a droplet compared to the ocean that he is. ) No Superman anything, gonna at least make this sorta interesting 2. VS. 2. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. Beyonder is marvel. I think he wins this. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 21 K. 0. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely stronger than the entire Marvel Multiverse, Phoenix Force is only the sum of all life in the multiverse (although never ever depicted anywhere near this level). Hungry-Ad9779 • 7 mo. Lucifer Morningstar. Current Beyonder vs New 52 Spectre. At this power level he was still able to affect things across the universe, across dimension, and across time, which I think puts him far above Sentry. there are tons of ways to argue. Inherent in his almost limitless psionic abilities the Beyonder has the potential to affect reality in a manner that could, in theory, simulate virtually any power. Beyonder was affecting the entire Marvel multiverse or omniverse, or something like that, all at once. VERDICT: For those unaware beyonder is not just 1-A: He's HIGH 1-A, FAR greater than infinity itself. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. Defenders Beyond prove GoS abilities work on Beyonders or no. GEB=Anti Pressence. Beyonder, very easily. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. . 9. To believe that all infinite multiversals are equal is to believe LT would "stalemate" the likes of Time Eater Lavos and Zeedmilleniummon. 8 years ago. Also CAS safe stomps round 4, 7 and probably round 10 as well. Biography: The man, the myth, the legend. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. Don't think God Thing's H4X compares. ". Conditions of the battle: *Composite Time Lords will include variants of the Time Lords from the Expanded Doctor Who Universe (e. the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Otherwise there is. 11. Master/Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Galeem/Dharkon. Join this channel to get access to perks:…The Beyonder was an impossibly powerful being who held the Secret Wars, essentially kidnapping a whole bunch of heroes and villains and making them fight for his. Reviews: 0. Beyonder can no longer kill someone against their will. Defenders Beyond prove GoS abilities work on Beyonders or no. GhostRavage. New Comics. I personally think ART wins, but it could go either. ) Speed= Immesurable, Omnipresent in the Beyond-realm. Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon): vs. And all other beyonder that barely have any feat to match anyone of the above :) 1. Doom get the drop on him and take his power. The Beyonder being millions of times the power of the Multiverse was countered by himself twicesaying Eternity and The Phoenix Force had the power to destroy him. If you can find a single DBS character (aside from Zeno) who could solo any of these, I’ll be impressed. Been done here on the vine. How you interpret that is irrelevant. normal Round 2. So even at a lower power level, Lucifer may still beat him. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). greater Wheel which is in tur the lowest level of an "telescope stretching all the way back to the eye of the Anui-El, with padomaics innumerable among its infinite walls",. Someones who can ONESHOT multiverse > > > > > someones who. Endless Mike. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. Spectre, to me, has never proved to be an equal to LT. Based on Owen's estimation of Beyonder's power levels. •beyonder is omnipotent in the beyond realm. The Beyonder is a recurring antagonist of Avengers Assemble. 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube. Having said this,we cannot scale and judge Pre Retcon Beyonder from what the Ivory Kings do. 4 years ago. 7: Old Lord Thanos. we have here two supreme beings, fighting in all the multiverse, and they don't care if the multiverse is destroyed or not, all they care about is toBeyonder (Pre-Retcon) runs the gauntlet. Pre-Retcon Beyonder got overpowered by the Phoenix Force. People place the cosmic entities on Lucifers level sometimes lmao. Apr 8, 2018. Full cosmic cubes, like Kubik and Shaper, are more powerful. R2: God stomps. Gan and Crimson King are basically super-amped versions of P. Forum Posts. During most of the trial, he was a silent witness, holding Protege, the Beyonder, and the Guardians of the Galaxy, while the Tribunal, Eternity, and the Hawk God argued the case. Pre retcon Beyonder is not a part of Thanos's multiverse, and would thus be unaffected by. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. Could go either way, but I'm siding with Beyonder. Hit a Like And Subscribe To Help Out💵 “Wanna Donate/Support? 💵👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇💰PayPal💰. Pre-Retcon Beyonder: On the opposite side of that spectrum, is the Beyonder. Everyone in current Marvel (except The One Above All, and Living Tribunal. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. The only level higher than fiction is the reality, so unless you think 3812 is about to come into the real world he literally can't ascend above a comic character. When Molecule Man faced The Sentry, he was in his unrestrained normal-self as he showed himself able to use his powers in new ways as he got rid of all his negative beliefs on his abilities (the Dark Reign Files are a. On page, on screen, on panel feats. 2. The result is pretty obvious. This is not a stomp either way. He wouldn't be. Surface Wiper Tier: Able to destroy the surface of a planet or wipe out all life on a world [E. super strength is not worth much in such a fight. Both sides are in character but determined to win. Round 3: Cosmic Armor Superman: CAS stomps. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. The Beyonder clearly held Scathan's power in deep respect. And the modern US military can easily beat Homelander, but a few thousand guys are dying. Beyonder is either: A. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Followers. 9: Dr. Forum Posts. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. Welcome to earth. #1 Hello, I completely redid Beyonder's power and abilities section from scratch. And Beyonder's Void sees less of Marvel's Creation than Oblivion's Void does. Follow 3000. Bernkastel vs her servant Will ( not an actual battle. Beyonder is at a whole new level. Also, I should mention that they are probably re-retconning him to his previous levels soon. But beyonder that isn’t pr gets absorbed. Tier: High 1-B | At least High 1-B | High 1-A | High 1-A. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim. "For sake of argument, let's assume that a normal value is 1. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Furthermore, Mandrakk also. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. So if you scale his power he would be at the same level as TOAA is now. 5 years. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. The Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of reality and myriad dimensions. on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. Stronger than scp-3125 who in turn can exist in noosphere, noosphere contains and surpass narrative within scp which in turn even one narrative in surpass uncountable infinite narratives and oh yeah by the way this is THE SMALLEST narrative and it’s already pre retcon beyonder in turn there are infinite narratives which each surpass each other in turn of transcendent and this is still on the. In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. Beyonder doesn't have omniversal feats to even put him on an omniversal level, much less beyond omniversal level. The time lords are at their best. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A.